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On Orbit => Space Shuttle Mission Simulator (tm) => Topic started by: Nephi on July 24, 2009, 03:46:50 PM

Title: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on July 24, 2009, 03:46:50 PM
I can't wait for the next SP :
http://ssm2007.blogspot.com/
The upcoming SSM2007 Service Pack which is now under development will add major features and changes which will require virtual Astronauts to go back to school and practice new procedures if they want to complete the more challenging missions successfully.

These changes are consistent with our policy of adding both features and content and enhance the Space Shuttle Mission simulation experience.

Following this update, we will be also adding new chapters to the Commander's Reference Manual and new Video Tutorials to the Ground School. We hope that the added realism will be received with enthusiasm by SSM2007 experienced Virtual Astronauts and newcomers alike, just as it happened with previous major realism enhancements.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on July 24, 2009, 04:11:56 PM
Don't worry Nephi,

We'll soon break with tradition and reveal what we're working on before the actual release :)

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: jmorlando on July 24, 2009, 08:42:17 PM
I remember how frustrated I was with the sim and the developers when i first got the program when it was released.  Naturally it turned out to be all my own fault really.

Now, I dont think I can point to single other company or product that does it better.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: RMS Driver on July 24, 2009, 09:24:56 PM
I guessing:

ISS interior is modeled with SSRMS ops

EVAs are now tethered and you must use a system of handholds and tethers to move around.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: yoti980 on July 24, 2009, 09:32:05 PM
I agree ES and the GC that make up this great company have the best combined tech support and productivity improvement crew I've ever seen from any other company! Mix that in with us shuttle guru's and the volunteer work of Uri and his videos, Michael and his checklists, etc etc... Everyone has worked together to make a simulator that would be very hard for beginners into an easier transition and saving people hundreds of dollars in broken keyboards, mice, anything in punching distance really lol  
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: schmidtrock on July 24, 2009, 10:02:54 PM
I completely agree with these sentiments!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on July 24, 2009, 10:07:49 PM
I guessing:

ISS interior is modeled with SSRMS ops

EVAs are now tethered and you must use a system of handholds and tethers to move around.

This is not a guess - it's wishful thinking - but not out of this world. With a little patience, we'll reach this stage too, but not in this SP.

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: RMS Driver on July 24, 2009, 10:47:23 PM
Ok, thanks Admin.  :)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Ryan on July 24, 2009, 11:24:12 PM
Damn you for feeding my addiction!  Okay, BRING IT ON! ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on July 24, 2009, 11:25:30 PM
Damn you for feeding my addiction!  Okay, BRING IT ON! ;D

We operate in subtle ways, Muahahahahaha!

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Dee-Jay on July 25, 2009, 01:40:52 AM
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D I can' wait !!!!!!!!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nomad313 on July 25, 2009, 04:31:27 AM
Totally agree!  This is a great sim with fantastic support!  I can't wait to see what's next!  (ISS interiors, pllleeeeeaaaaassse!?!?!)  LOL!!!

I kind of like the tether idea.  Tether protocols, anyone?
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Ryan on July 25, 2009, 10:08:41 PM
As I suggested several weeks ago, I'm still waiting for the operation of the space toilet.  ;)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: uri_ba on July 25, 2009, 10:11:47 PM
I'm still waiting for the operation of the space toilet.  ;)
lol
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: mborgia on July 28, 2009, 02:41:19 AM
Crew training is complete and the STS-125 Flight Readiness Review is complete with one open discrepancy.

A SSM 2007 Service Pack is now at the Beta Testing Team and Software is unwilling to give a go for launch if a new SP causing major changes in mission procedures is issued mid-flight...

Polling Admin for update....SP release imminent???
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: desktopsimmer on July 29, 2009, 12:22:00 AM
In Space no one can hear you flush...

at a guess, an hoping maybe too much, the TORVA (twice orbital rate V-bar approach) and Fly around incorporated into missions?
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: bradleyjs on July 29, 2009, 02:53:16 AM
In Space no one can hear you flush...


Kinda like : If a tree falls in a forrest, does it make a sound if nobody is listening?  8)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: uri_ba on July 29, 2009, 02:59:32 AM
speaking of which.
I have heard a lecture of one of the guys that help design the thing on the shuttle. one reporter asked him (because there was a hearing about it on congress). "How do you justify spending 20M$ on a toilet?" so the guy answered. "take you normal every day bowl. now take it and put it on the ceiling. 20M is cheap"
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Pocci on July 29, 2009, 03:01:13 AM
In Space no one can hear you flush...
Inside the shuttle you can hear.
And the best of a simulated toilet:
We could perform a pissing contest.   :-X
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on July 29, 2009, 03:07:45 AM
This thread is going astray... and in a nasty place  ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on July 29, 2009, 10:39:32 AM
We'll soon be back  with more info mborgia :)

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: desktopsimmer on July 29, 2009, 02:51:32 PM
Just found this on the CNN News Wire Service:

The next SSM2007 SP launch was delayed in the final phase of the launch count-down Yesterday. Mission Control have identified the problem to a memory leak in the External DLL subsystem. Mission enginers are currently investigating either to fix the problem on the launch pad or rolling back the stack and completely replacing the External DLL with the External DLL for SP 3.90.

A High ranking official at mission control was quoted to have said  "We'll be back soon"

In other news NASA scientists are looking to the phenomenon of silent trees falling in rain forest. Once lumber jack said "Darn strange, this tree fell over when I wasn't around, and I didn't hear it". More at Six o'clock...

Finally, NASA have found a cheaper way of fixing a toilet to the celling, but it's still messy and it hasn't decreased the cost of a zero gravity toilet, at $19,999,999.99. However, this includes the cost of delivery and installation to any standard American/Russian/European/Canadian/Japanese Space station in low earth orbit.

 ;)

Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: RMS Driver on July 29, 2009, 09:03:26 PM
Anytime someone talks about the space toliet I think about Hank Hartsfield being all excited because he had made a BM over Havanna on one of his flights, or Mike Mullane describing the "aiming camera" on the toliet. :D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: T minus on July 30, 2009, 01:53:12 PM
Is there any news on when the next service pack will be released?

T minus
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on July 30, 2009, 02:55:20 PM
There will be an annuncement soon, unless Ground Crew posts something about it on Twitter or on the blog.

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: uri_ba on July 30, 2009, 03:11:49 PM
Admin,
I think the question is in fact:
"Is the release close enough to justify not starting a new mission?"
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Pocci on July 30, 2009, 03:40:04 PM
I have had no problems until now following an old save in a new service pack.
But if there were problems, restarting the mission to use all the new cool features (btw, how about a little feature list ;) tease me baby) were not a big problem. I would see the double played parts as a training for the "real" mission with the features of the new SP.

Armin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: uri_ba on July 30, 2009, 04:19:18 PM
I remember the first time I had to restart a mission due to Save incompatibility.. that was not fun! it was STS-117 on my  first run, after about a month playing the game... (it took me three days to get to the OMS pod fixing part - only to realize I need to run it again :|)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on July 30, 2009, 10:47:20 PM
I have had no problems until now following an old save in a new service pack.
But if there were problems, restarting the mission to use all the new cool features (btw, how about a little feature list ;) tease me baby) were not a big problem. I would see the double played parts as a training for the "real" mission with the features of the new SP.

Armin

Hmm. That "features list" will spoil all the fun <g>. Actually, if I'm thinking well, this time the new features list contains only THREE main items, but IMHO they are enough to justify the wait ;) And no, the new items are NOT merely eye-candy!

We hope to be able to make an announcement this weekend.

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: bradleyjs on July 31, 2009, 02:41:42 AM
Just found this on the CNN News Wire Service:

The next SSM2007 SP launch was delayed in the final phase of the launch count-down Yesterday. Mission Control have identified the problem to a memory leak in the External DLL subsystem. Mission enginers are currently investigating either to fix the problem on the launch pad or rolling back the stack and completely replacing the External DLL with the External DLL for SP 3.90.

A High ranking official at mission control was quoted to have said  "We'll be back soon"

In other news NASA scientists are looking to the phenomenon of silent trees falling in rain forest. Once lumber jack said "Darn strange, this tree fell over when I wasn't around, and I didn't hear it". More at Six o'clock...

Finally, NASA have found a cheaper way of fixing a toilet to the celling, but it's still messy and it hasn't decreased the cost of a zero gravity toilet, at $19,999,999.99. However, this includes the cost of delivery and installation to any standard American/Russian/European/Canadian/Japanese Space station in low earth orbit.

 ;)
This was quite entertaining!!!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on July 31, 2009, 03:00:07 PM
LOL! Missed that post!

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on July 31, 2009, 07:26:50 PM
We're busy fine-tuning the new features and fixing bugs. It will take us some time to add the new features to all the missions though.
Can't wait, can't wait.. but TAKE YOUR TIME ! I prefer having it all OK later than rushed and bugged earlier !
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: bradleyjs on August 01, 2009, 12:42:44 AM
LOL! Missed that post!

/Admin

That new article should have it's own "sticky" !!  ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: desktopsimmer on August 01, 2009, 03:46:25 AM
LOL! Missed that post!
/Admin

:)
and thanks bradleyjs for the vote of stickyness. I'll have the five day space weather forecast for you tomorrow... live at five ;)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: RMS Driver on August 01, 2009, 04:40:48 AM
:)
and thanks bradleyjs for the vote of stickyness. I'll have the five day space weather forecast for you tomorrow... live at five ;)

I beat you to it. ;D

Saturday: Sunny with 0% chance of air
Sunday: Sunny with 0% chance of air
Monday: Sunny with 0% chance of air
Tuesday: Sunny with 0% chance of air
Wednesday: Sunny with 0% chance of air
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Ernst on August 05, 2009, 04:53:50 AM
When I was on work tonight I thought much about what you are up to. You (Admin) has said that next SP will affect some of the missions but not all, and that we are going to be forced to go back to school to learn how to master this.

Now I'm done thinking and have a wild guess (or wishful thinking if you would like to call it that):

Can it be new cockpits with the correct instruments in the shuttles depending on when the missions was flown? :D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: bradleyjs on August 05, 2009, 05:05:37 AM
When I was on work tonight I thought much about what you are up to. You (Admin) has said that next SP will affect some of the missions but not all, and that we are going to be forced to go back to school to learn how to master this.

Now I'm done thinking and have a wild guess (or wishful thinking if you would like to call it that):

Can it be new cockpits with the correct instruments in the shuttles depending on when the missions was flown? :D

I hate to say this, but, I really doubt that they would make that much of change, as I'm sure it would be a "large" software-mod to do that... my 2 cents ... Now, on the other hand, if they were to incorporate a "true" 3D - clickable interface, then that would make sense... Again, just my opinion -- let's keep our fingers crossed for an amazing new patch!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: RMS Driver on August 05, 2009, 07:45:16 AM
I doubt that it has anything to do with the Shuttle itself, as all of the missions probably load from a single Shuttle Model folder, so if they have to add the new features to all of the missions it's probably some change in the mission ops.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Lieste on August 05, 2009, 08:08:54 AM
Possibles:

Adjustment to RMS shoulder attitude +20 roll at the shoulder. Only affects the RMS operations (which is most, but not all),

Adjustment to Rendezvous navigation.

Adjustments to EVA.

Adjustments to TAEM consistency.

Of course it could be anything else too...
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on August 05, 2009, 11:21:08 AM
Possibles:

Adjustment to RMS shoulder attitude +20 roll at the shoulder. Only affects the RMS operations (which is most, but not all),

Adjustment to Rendezvous navigation.

Adjustments to EVA.

Adjustments to TAEM consistency.

Of course it could be anything else too...

Nice try, but try not to go for the entire suggestions board content  ;D

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: bradleyjs on August 06, 2009, 01:59:35 AM
Well, I don't know about anyone else, I'm praying for a 3D-Clickable Flight/Aft Deck...  Hey, I can dream can't I?

ps. Maybe we'll see it for Christmas this year?
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on August 06, 2009, 02:42:34 AM
Well we should know soon.
"The new Service Pack for the Space Shuttle Mission simulator is moving on according to plan. Standby for anouncement re. its content."
Kinda confused about the last part of it.
Anyway should the announcement be today or this weekend?
I am so excited.

My guess will be RMS ops. It was mentioned a while ago remember. Maybe if we're lucky there will be edits to rendezvous and Docking..
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: bradleyjs on August 06, 2009, 02:44:27 AM
spaceboy,

You're busting my bubble!!  ;D

Whatever we get, I'll be happy with, no matter what!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Dee-Jay on August 06, 2009, 03:34:47 AM
With SSM Team, every month is Xmas !  :D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Huron_Serenity on August 06, 2009, 06:55:30 AM
Perhaps the fly around of the ISS after undocking will be added, although that scares me, since I know that I do not have the piloting skills for that.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on August 06, 2009, 01:36:29 PM
My guess will be RMS ops. It was mentioned a while ago remember. Maybe if we're lucky there will be edits to rendezvous and Docking..
Hint : SPEC 33 PRO ITEM 1 EXEC  ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: sgi on August 06, 2009, 03:31:08 PM
So you think could be navigation? ISS fly around or ISS approach for docking?
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: RMS Driver on August 06, 2009, 07:56:29 PM
Maybe it is the different types of approaches. R-Bar, Z-bar, etc...
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: uri_ba on August 06, 2009, 08:07:27 PM
My guess will be RMS ops. It was mentioned a while ago remember. Maybe if we're lucky there will be edits to rendezvous and Docking..
Hint : SPEC 33 PRO ITEM 1 EXEC  ;D

Nephi, do you have some info we don't? share man! share! :)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: bradleyjs on August 07, 2009, 03:47:33 AM
Somebody's in "the know" -- but it sure isn't US!! :D

C'mon /Admin don't leave us hang'in ...
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on August 07, 2009, 03:49:56 AM
Nephi, do you have some info we don't? share man! share! :)
I thought you were in the Betatest (aka nagging) team Uri ?
Anyway, what is SPEC 33 PRO ITEM 1 EXEC ? :P
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on August 07, 2009, 03:58:00 AM
Nephi, do you have some info we don't? share man! share! :)
I thought you were in the Betatest (aka nagging) team Uri ?
Anyway, what is SPEC 33 PRO ITEM 1 EXEC ? :P
SPEC 33 PRO-ITEM 1 EXEC is Rendezvous and Navigation. It is already implemented??
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on August 07, 2009, 04:03:26 AM
SPEC 33 PRO-ITEM 1 EXEC is Rendezvous and Navigation. It is already implemented??
To be accurate, ITEM 1 of SPEC 33 display is "Rendezvous NAVigation". :P
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: bradleyjs on August 07, 2009, 04:09:54 AM
Tisk, tisk, you guys are so anal....  ;D

Remember: This thread is titled : "Teasing" ...
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: uri_ba on August 07, 2009, 05:01:08 AM
Nephi, do you have some info we don't? share man! share! :)
I thought you were in the Betatest (aka nagging) team Uri ?
Anyway, what is SPEC 33 PRO ITEM 1 EXEC ? :P
We all know what SPEC33 ITEM1 is..
I Just wonder what makes you so sure this is the change? you sound so confident....
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on August 07, 2009, 01:26:07 PM
We all know what SPEC33 ITEM1 is..
I Just wonder what makes you so sure this is the change? you sound so confident....
I didn't say it was a change though :)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: uri_ba on August 07, 2009, 04:22:59 PM
So I can put in SPEC94 ITEM19?
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Pocci on August 07, 2009, 06:38:42 PM
Item 19? End Pos coordinate Y?
Spec 94 would be RMS control, or which OPS are you talking about?

Armin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Mogget on August 07, 2009, 07:17:00 PM
Can the ISS RMS be controlled at the moment?
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Pocci on August 07, 2009, 08:00:02 PM
Only from inside.
But you can't enter  :P (yet).
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on August 07, 2009, 08:07:52 PM
So I can put in SPEC94 ITEM19?
???
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Mogget on August 07, 2009, 10:11:06 PM
Quote
Only from inside.
But you can't enter

That was the entire point of my post. Is it possible that these new ops include SSRMS control (and by inference, ISS entry)?
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: bradleyjs on August 08, 2009, 02:58:13 AM
I know this doesn't belong here - but I couldn't find anywhere else to post this:

From the SSM2007 Twitter Site:
"Some Beta Testers are on vacation... hope this won't affect the SP planned release schedule."

What gives them the "right" to take a Summer Break when WE are all counting on them to do their respective jobs!!!  ;D    j/k   This is Summer time and that's what people do ... wish I could take some more time off ... ho-hum... Anyway, I'm excited for the new release. Thanks!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on August 08, 2009, 01:59:10 PM
I know this doesn't belong here - but I couldn't find anywhere else to post this:

From the SSM2007 Twitter Site:
"Some Beta Testers are on vacation... hope this won't affect the SP planned release schedule."

What gives them the "right" to take a Summer Break when WE are all counting on them to do their respective jobs!!!  ;D    j/k   This is Summer time and that's what people do ... wish I could take some more time off ... ho-hum... Anyway, I'm excited for the new release. Thanks!

:)

Well, it is especially important that this SP be as free of bugs as possible. If we expect virtual Astros to learn new tricks, we should at least make sure as humanly as possible that they don't ask themselves "is it me or is it a bug?" if/when they fail. So in this case, priority goes for debugging and less on release schedule.

I hope nobody will be losing patience or confidence if we are later than usual, but the changes and additions we implement in this SP affect almost all missions, so testing takes time...

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on August 08, 2009, 02:26:31 PM
Well, it is especially important that this SP be as free of bugs as possible. If we expect virtual Astros to learn new tricks, we should at least make sure as humanly as possible that they don't ask themselves "is it me or is it a bug?" if/when they fail. So in this case, priority goes for debugging and less on release schedule.

I hope nobody will be losing patience or confidence if we are later than usual
On the contrary !! But one cannot prevent himself from growing more and more curious :)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: crazybowler on August 09, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
Did admin just leak a hint? "Will affect ALL MISSIONS". Now u got me gonna crazy again  ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: RMS Driver on August 09, 2009, 02:57:21 AM
RMS - no
EVA - no
KU rendezvous - no

I'm going to guess it is a change to the GPC programs.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Lieste on August 09, 2009, 03:05:33 AM
Who said no to any of them? AFAICT very little has been confirmed or ruled out yet.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Steven on August 09, 2009, 05:52:19 AM
Who said no to any of them? AFAICT very little has been confirmed or ruled out yet.

If it effects ALL missions, think about it.

RMS - no.. STS-1 doesn't have RMS.

EVA - no.. STS-1 doesn't have EVA.

KU Rendezvous - no.. STS-1 doesn't have rendezvous operations.

Anything that isn't in STS-1 won't be changed.. If it's true to the "all missions", not excluding STS-1.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on August 09, 2009, 05:55:52 AM
Guys he said ALMOST all Missions! So we are back to square one. But maybe we will hear what the features are this weekend. ::)
Quote
but the changes and additions we implement in this SP affect almost all missions, so testing takes time...
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Lieste on August 09, 2009, 06:12:36 AM
Exactly.

I was told to not just copy the entire suggestions page (although I selected the 3 named items purely on the basis of room for improvement and near-universality).

Doesn't mean these aren't the items though... Or that at least one of them may be under consideration. Neither do I assume that any of them is definitely due in the next increment.

Personally, I like stuff that involves 'flying'... whether that means TAEM, SPEC33, or the RMS. Button-pushing is a means to an end, and floating about for hours outside while things don't work? - that's why you carry passengers  :o


Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: RMS Driver on August 09, 2009, 07:40:23 AM
No, the Twitter said:

Quote
We're busy fine-tuning the new features and fixing bugs. It will take us some time to add the new features to all the missions though.

However, the blog stated that you must go back to school to complete the more challenging missions. So, the reports seem to be contradicting each other.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on August 09, 2009, 07:50:01 AM
I think what they meant was that it will take a while to go through all the missions it will affect....
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: JLM on August 09, 2009, 09:21:32 AM
Maybe there extending the EVA's or maybe even actually doing work on the EVA's instead of just sitting there doing nothing or something like that, or adding historic elements to each shuttle flight.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Ryan on August 09, 2009, 12:48:25 PM
BUT, all missions did have a space toilet!

Sorry, couldn't resist.  I'll just be quite now. :-X



Title: look what the GC has just announced!
Post by: uri_ba on August 09, 2009, 10:11:10 PM
http://ssm2007.blogspot.com/2009/08/back-to-ground-school-in-anticipation.html
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on August 09, 2009, 10:17:38 PM
Teasing is over for now :)

Read the announcement. Some of you were VERY close!

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on August 09, 2009, 10:51:02 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o
Just checked out the blog and SSM-Portal and am in amazement. This is the feature I have always wanted! Thanks so much GC and I am looking forward to the release of more info and the eventual SP! 8)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: desktopsimmer on August 09, 2009, 11:03:54 PM
In Space no one can hear you flush...

at a guess, an hoping maybe too much, the TORVA (twice orbital rate V-bar approach) and Fly around incorporated into missions?

Some of you were VERY close!
/Admin

Do I get a prize?  ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on August 10, 2009, 12:43:51 AM
I told you SPEC 33 ITEM 1  :P
Title: Re: look what the GC has just announced!
Post by: Nephi on August 10, 2009, 12:46:20 AM
You guys rock so much  ;)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: sgi on August 10, 2009, 02:01:56 AM
FANTASTIC!!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: crazybowler on August 10, 2009, 02:50:00 AM
well for somebody who is still fairly ruggish with LOS I cant share everyones excitement but hey practice makes perfect i guess! I do like the fly around with ISS addition. Hats off to GC for their continuing efforts to impress us fans, you guys are doing a fantastic job and this game is one where years from now it will never go old.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Lieste on August 10, 2009, 03:00:25 AM
With the changes you should get much more direct control of range-rate and lateral rates - no more "guessing" if the increased lateral burn has increased or decreased your closure rate.

Just a question though... How close IRL are you allowed to radiate the Ku band antenna? I know that it is inhibited when people are in the payload bay, but are there range limits for approaching the space station or other manned objects?

They have the back-up optical tracking using discrete targets for close in work don't they?

Title: Re: look what the GC has just announced!
Post by: Pocci on August 10, 2009, 04:17:44 AM
Great!

GC - thank you so much.

Armin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: bradleyjs on August 10, 2009, 04:19:23 AM
>> no more "guessing" if the increased lateral burn has increased or decreased your closure rate.

Yahoo!!!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Huron_Serenity on August 10, 2009, 04:23:58 AM
I just had to be right about the fly-around, eh?

At least the new rendezvous methods will give me a reason to fly the ISS missions again.

Will these new rendezvous methods apply to non-ISS missions too? Meaning HST, LDEF, etc. Likely just exposed more of my orbital rendezvous ignorance, eh.
Title: Re: look what the GC has just announced!
Post by: blazeord on August 10, 2009, 10:58:34 AM
Thank you so much GC, and cannot wait for release! :D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Dee-Jay on August 10, 2009, 02:30:48 PM
I can’t believe it!!!! It’s incredible !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’ve been waited that improvement for a long time! It’s absolutely amazing!!!!!

BIG BIG THANK’S to all staff and development team for this, and congratulation for the best space Shuttle simulation ever!!!!!!


Title: Re: look what the GC has just announced!
Post by: Dee-Jay on August 10, 2009, 02:39:19 PM
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on August 10, 2009, 08:32:44 PM
...<SNIP>...

Will these new rendezvous methods apply to non-ISS missions too? Meaning HST, LDEF, etc. Likely just exposed more of my orbital rendezvous ignorance, eh.

Yes, "as applicable" :)

/Admin
Title: Re: look what the GC has just announced!
Post by: schmidtrock on August 11, 2009, 12:36:54 AM
It's going to be great!
Title: Re: look what the GC has just announced!
Post by: Jack Ryan on August 11, 2009, 12:44:34 AM
A new great improvement!! you are the best!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Cygnus on August 12, 2009, 05:20:36 AM
As was mentioned before, no one does it better than this. Kudos to all who continue to put in the hard work to make and improve such a wonderful sim. I'm still holding off on STS-125. I was in the middle of STS-103 and the idea of working on Hubble back to back didn't appeal to me  ;)

It's back to ISS for some truss installation for me!

Thanks for "breaking with tradition" and leaking some great news on SP4. Also, Thanks to whoever was on facebook and dropped in with a comment! A nice surprise indeed.

Cyg
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: jmorlando on August 12, 2009, 07:40:27 AM
after watching those videaos suddenly i want to stop playing this sim until the new service pack comes out just because the world is going to completely change
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on August 12, 2009, 07:04:32 PM
As promised, we plan to post some more inforamtion about SP4, the new modes etc.

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 03, 2009, 04:27:22 AM
Oh we are getting really close!
" Beta Testing for the latest Space Shuttle Mission Sim Service Pack is moving on as planned. R-BAR, TORVA, V-BAR and Fly-Around are closer than ever :). Standby for more news."

I would guess this weekend or the following one. Anything could happen but I can hope can't I? ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Pocci on September 05, 2009, 03:33:44 AM
Where do I find the new updated manual which you are twittering about?

> Final testing on the way and new "Commander's Reference Manual" updated.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 05, 2009, 03:59:48 AM
They mean they updated the manual. It isn't online yet. I am guessing (hoping) for a release tomorrow.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: JLM on September 05, 2009, 04:09:31 AM
I hope you guys are implementing the solid rocket booster seperation "BANG!".
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 05, 2009, 04:30:08 AM
My only hope is that they implement flyaround TORVA and R-Bar :P
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on September 05, 2009, 04:50:16 AM
Where do I find the new updated manual which you are twittering about?

> Final testing on the way and new "Commander's Reference Manual" updated.

You cannot find it yet. It will be uploaded at the same time we release the new Service Pack :)

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 05, 2009, 04:54:56 AM
Via facebook:
80% chance of release this weekend!!!!!
F5 repeat has begun on download page ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Pocci on September 05, 2009, 04:46:37 PM
F5 repeat has begun on download page ;D
Please don't crash that server, be careful.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 05, 2009, 06:53:48 PM
I won't lol. I was just kidding. I will wait until I see the tweet that it has been released. :)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on September 05, 2009, 07:29:03 PM
Waow, I would never have thought that my first post would create a 7 pages thread !!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 05, 2009, 10:30:24 PM
Error found in latest SP. Chance of release today reduced to 60% chance of favorable weather. :'(
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Ryan on September 05, 2009, 10:44:33 PM
You're killing me dude! :D 
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 05, 2009, 10:49:23 PM
I am dying too! I have all weekend.
Now time to go do STS-100 to take my mind off of the SP.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on September 05, 2009, 10:51:18 PM
Sorry guys... but we must make sure the crew is safe...

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 05, 2009, 10:58:12 PM
We understand. It is just the eagerness is unbearable ;)
Is there maybe another sneek peek that could be released in the mean time? Maybe a tutorial so we can begin to understand the new system? ::)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on September 05, 2009, 11:44:18 PM
Last tutorial is also stopped due to the unexpected error. Sorry guys...

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 05, 2009, 11:46:31 PM
We understand. Just happy you gave us a reason  :)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: marvx on September 05, 2009, 11:53:37 PM
As in real NASA missions, there is no acceptance of errors....Just shows the professionalism of the GC and the Beta-Testing Team... Kudos to them all

/Marvx
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 05, 2009, 11:55:24 PM
I echo what Marvx said!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 06, 2009, 12:20:34 AM
Latest via twitter:
One error fixed and being tested. One to go. the 60% forecast does not change yet.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 06, 2009, 01:56:09 AM
Looks like weather did not cooperate:
RC3 released. Testing continues but Launch Control team decided for a 24Hrs lauch scrub. Better safe than sorry. Sorry guys. More to follow.

Wonder were the 24 hour scrub starts at. Just hoping not to have to wait until 4 or 5 pm tomorrow to see the release. :'(

Thanks for keeping us informed and we are happy you want it to be perfect. :)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on September 06, 2009, 02:15:10 AM
Looks like weather did not cooperate:
RC3 released. Testing continues but Launch Control team decided for a 24Hrs lauch scrub. Better safe than sorry. Sorry guys. More to follow.

Wonder were the 24 hour scrub starts at. Just hoping not to have to wait until 4 or 5 pm tomorrow to see the release. :'(

Thanks for keeping us informed and we are happy you want it to be perfect. :)

GC tells me that we aim for noon EDT, tomorrow.

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 06, 2009, 02:28:41 AM
That would be good as I will just say up late tonight then end up waking up around noon ;)
Working on STS-401 right now (OBSS Inspection). Will work on the Beta Ares 1X Paper model after and watch EVA-3. Should be ok.

Thanks Admin :)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Pocci on September 06, 2009, 08:05:07 AM
GC tells me that we aim for noon EDT, tomorrow.
At least you could release the manual, to prepare us for launch.
/Armin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: marvx on September 06, 2009, 12:42:38 PM
Dont force them, they work very hard, appreciate that instead of forcing them for things

/Marvx
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: blazeord on September 06, 2009, 01:40:25 PM
Dont force them, they work very hard, appreciate that instead of forcing them for things

/Marvx

Yeah I know it's hard to be patient, but agree's what marvx said above.
My thoughts going to be great when it does get released :)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: marvx on September 06, 2009, 01:52:39 PM
and as ever was....beeing happy n waiting for a presence is better, than anything else

....Teasing....

/Marvx
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Mogget on September 06, 2009, 02:17:45 PM
Admin,

I'm just curious to know if a cause for the "HUD diamond" problem has been identified, and whether it has been fixed for this SP.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: marvx on September 06, 2009, 02:39:41 PM
and IMHO i think, that facebook and twitter are enough to announce news....no need to do it in forum as well...

/Marvx
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Pocci on September 06, 2009, 04:40:46 PM
GC tells me that we aim for noon EDT, tomorrow.
At least you could release the manual, to prepare us for launch.
Dont force them, they work very hard, appreciate that instead of forcing them for things
I did just ask for the manual (in case it is already complete).
Or are the errors that big, that there might be a need to change the Manual as well?
and IMHO i think, that facebook and twitter are enough to announce news....no need to do it in forum as well...
Where else, when not here in the forum?
Facebook? That will only help people, who are registrated at facebook.
Do you want to force us to become facebook members?
....no need to do it in forum as well...
Than you might close this thread, might you?

/Armin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on September 06, 2009, 06:35:30 PM
Pocci,

We are doing the best we can. The Twitter is a Ground Crew tool and what they put there is their decision. We are not updated in real time about their work issues but Twitter is. Nobody is forcing you to register to any of the other services but we definitely won't guarantee to post the same info on all three media presences.

If you want to keep updated with news you usually buy the newspaper, watch the TV, access the net and get "pushed" news on the mobile, and you don't complain why all of them don't have the same info.

Same thing here. If you want to be updated in real time about things, you should "connect" to all our comms methods. If you donn't connect, please don't complain and try to manage how we make our announcements.

Regarding the manual pre-release - the decision when and what to release is ours alone. Maybe next time we'll shut up and not post ANY KIND of sneak peek behind the curtains. That way nobody will complain  8)

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 06, 2009, 06:53:49 PM
Ok via twitter:
Quote
SP 4.00 RC4 relased for testing. Forecast is 80% go for launch. More to follow.

Lets hope weather cooperates today! I will be waiting on twitter for updates to follow ;)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Pocci on September 06, 2009, 07:19:28 PM
If you donn't connect, please don't complain and try to manage how we make our announcements.

Regarding the manual pre-release - the decision when and what to release is ours alone. Maybe next time we'll shut up and not post ANY KIND of sneak peek behind the curtains. That way nobody will complain  8)

Be cool.

I don't want to force (as Marvx said) or manipulate or manage you in any way.

I just asked if you would please publish the manual in case it is complete.
I just asked and nothing more.
If you don't publish it, it's OK. That is your decision.

Please, where did I force or manage you?
Or are my comments regarding Facebook too hot?

I see a little "danger" in spreading informations in too many "streams".
You already don't like to discuss one topic in several threads in this forum.
(And that is correct.)
But "discussing" one topic (new information about SSM2007) in different forums (SSM-forum, facebook) is similar to that, and in the end you either are double posting all the time (and we are double reading the same news all the time as well) or you have to manage which part of your information go to which stream and which information to the other. In this case followers of only one stream don't get double news, but maybe only part of the information.

Do what ever you want.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on September 06, 2009, 07:29:28 PM
...<SNIP>...
Do what ever you want.

That's exactly what we are trying to do  8)

BTW, we didn't start this thread and I see no reason to lock/delete it yet as you suggested. Others find it useful and pleasant. If you don't like its contents then you absolutely don't need to contribute to it or complain about its usefulness.

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 06, 2009, 07:33:52 PM
Hey Admin,
Not sure if you know yet or can release it but here i a question.
This is a big SP. I was just wondering i old on orbit saves will work. Like right now I just went through STS-124 and saved at finishing RCC scan and at the point were you start rendezvous so that I could skip all the burns and stuff and go straight for the new stuff. Will these saves work? No big deal if they don't, just asking. :)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on September 06, 2009, 07:42:38 PM
Hey Admin,
Not sure if you know yet or can release it but here i a question.
This is a big SP. I was just wondering i old on orbit saves will work. Like right now I just went through STS-124 and saved at finishing RCC scan and at the point were you start rendezvous so that I could skip all the burns and stuff and go straight for the new stuff. Will these saves work? No big deal if they don't, just asking. :)

From what I can tell, any SP3.70 save before RNDZ should work, but I'm not 100% sure.

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: spaceboy7441 on September 06, 2009, 07:52:50 PM
Thanks Admin!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Nephi on September 06, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
SP 4.00 RC4 relased for testing. Forecast is 80% go for launch. More to follow.
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: btacon on September 06, 2009, 11:43:10 PM
I for one am simply amazed at the evolution of this product.

I tracked it for months, pre-launch.  And I purchased it T+ 2 to 3 hours post-launch.

I don't get to play it as often as I like, as a matter of fact often I just lift off and enter orbit just to get my dose of imagination to satisfy me when I'm space flight jonesing.

I am in my fifty's and I have lived and breathed the entire US space program.  I am a former Air Traffic Controller and I had the privilege of working at Beale AFB from 83 thru 89.  The SR-71 was fully active at the time, and I never suffered from a lack of amazement at the majesty of that Aircraft / Spaceship.

I love space and space topics.  You can see that at my Blog www.BraunsBlog.com (http://www.BraunsBlog.com).  I also love this simulator.  It is plain to see the love and dedication to space and space flight that drives this product.

I spent $50.00 for this simulation.  I've spent $50.00 on a tank of gas for my Honda, and I've dropped more just for hamburgers and fries when I have taken the entire family out for an outing.  I'll never regret investing in this epic journey of commemoration of the Shuttle Program

I guess the purpose of this post is to simply say thanks, and I'm not trying to imply that anyone who has posted here is not thankful, just the opposite.  It is clear that all members of this forum share a passion for spaceflight and many things space.  I just thought I would add my voice to that chorus.

Braun
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: schmidtrock on September 07, 2009, 12:20:46 AM
Welcome aboard sir!
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on September 07, 2009, 12:36:26 AM
Btacon,

Thank you for the warm words of support and appreciation.

If this is what you feel, then our task has been accomplished, but we'll keep on working and improving this product nevertheless - we are not 100% yet and we doubt that we'll ever be :)

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Dee-Jay on September 07, 2009, 12:41:24 AM
I for one am simply amazed at the evolution of this product.

I tracked it for months, pre-launch.  And I purchased it T+ 2 to 3 hours post-launch.

I don't get to play it as often as I like, as a matter of fact often I just lift off and enter orbit just to get my dose of imagination to satisfy me when I'm space flight jonesing.

I am in my fifty's and I have lived and breathed the entire US space program.  I am a former Air Traffic Controller and I had the privilege of working at Beale AFB from 83 thru 89.  The SR-71 was fully active at the time, and I never suffered from a lack of amazement at the majesty of that Aircraft / Spaceship.

I love space and space topics.  You can see that at my Blog www.BraunsBlog.com (http://www.BraunsBlog.com).  I also love this simulator.  It is plain to see the love and dedication to space and space flight that drives this product.

I spent $50.00 for this simulation.  I've spent $50.00 on a tank of gas for my Honda, and I've dropped more just for hamburgers and fries when I have taken the entire family out for an outing.  I'll never regret investing in this epic journey of commemoration of the Shuttle Program

I guess the purpose of this post is to simply say thanks, and I'm not trying to imply that anyone who has posted here is not thankful, just the opposite.  It is clear that all members of this forum share a passion for spaceflight and many things space.  I just thought I would add my voice to that chorus.

Braun


+1  :D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: crazybowler on September 07, 2009, 01:13:18 AM
We're entering the T-00:09:00 Hold. All systems are still go. Via: SSM2007 GC Twitter
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: sgi on September 07, 2009, 01:23:46 AM

If this is what you feel, then our task has been accomplished, but we'll keep on working and improving this product nevertheless - we are not 100% yet and we doubt that we'll ever be :)

/Admin

Never say never, Admin... Since today the evolution was fantastic, so...why not?  ;)
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: sgi on September 07, 2009, 01:25:43 AM
We have a "GO FOR LAUNCH!"  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on September 07, 2009, 01:26:26 AM

If this is what you feel, then our task has been accomplished, but we'll keep on working and improving this product nevertheless - we are not 100% yet and we doubt that we'll ever be :)

/Admin

Never say never, Admin... Since today the evolution was fantastic, so...why not?  ;)

Believe me, our "suggestions list" is longer than anyone's! But it will take a few more major releases to meet it... SSM2010, SSM2012, SSM2015... and then... well, we'll see :)

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: marvx on September 07, 2009, 01:27:21 AM
there are a few minutes left.....so beware that there maybe a cutoff even a few seconds prior to launch ;)
/Marvx
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: marvx on September 07, 2009, 01:28:37 AM

Hey Admin......shhhh dont talk to much...SP alone is Adrenaline to them enough...lol

/Marvx

If this is what you feel, then our task has been accomplished, but we'll keep on working and improving this product nevertheless - we are not 100% yet and we doubt that we'll ever be :)

/Admin

Never say never, Admin... Since today the evolution was fantastic, so...why not?  ;)

Believe me, our "suggestions list" is longer than anyone's! But it will take a few more major releases to meet it... SSM2010, SSM2012, SSM2015... and then... well, we'll see :)

/Admin
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Lieste on September 07, 2009, 01:35:33 AM
Installing.

 ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Ryan on September 07, 2009, 01:45:25 AM
Yes!!!  Downloaded and installing!  STS-125 has a GO for launch!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Teasing
Post by: Admin on September 07, 2009, 01:48:57 AM
READ THE NEW MANUAL AND CHECK THE VIDEOS!

/Admin