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On Orbit => Space Shuttle Mission Simulator (tm) => Topic started by: Steven on February 23, 2009, 06:10:20 AM
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Hey guys, just wanted to see what rigs you guys run SSM2007 on..
Something like a little list:
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Me:
Current Computer:
CPU - Pentium 4, 3.2GHz
RAM - 1GB PC3200
Graphics Card - HIS Radeon 2600 HD Pro
Resolution - 1440x900
FPS - 60 at max, 1 at lowest.
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Operating System-Vista
CPU -Pentium 4 3.00GHz
RAM -1GB
Graphics Card -Nvidia Geforce-8600
Resolution -1280x1024
FPS -60 Highest 50 Lowest was a little better with XP But now I have Vista
:)
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CPU -AMD Athlon 64 x 2 Dualcore 4400+
RAM -4048 MB
Graphics Card -Nvidia GeForce 9500 GT 1GB
Resolution -1440 x 900
FPS -pegged at 60 FPS
I got Windows Vista Home Premium and Track Infared IV
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I'm out of commission right now...so I get a big fat goose egg. (zero)
Normally I run 3.2 GHz Intel. 2GB RAM, ATI 3800 series 512 MB on the video and a 26" plasma screen. 8) a modest system....hopefully with this new motherboard I am getting..I'll be able to slap in a dual core processor at some point in the future.
Res is 1024x768x32 on the big screen
FPS is about 50-60
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CPU - AMD Athlon 64 FX-60
RAM - 2 gigs
Graphics Card - ATI X1900XT (AA disabled due to poor gl support)
Resolution - 1920x1200
FPS - locked at 60 (100+ without vsync)
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running Vista 64bit on Intel Q6600, 4GB RAM.
Nvidia 8800GTS/640MB running SSM with AA*8 and AS*8 at 1680*1050 - on a 20" Widescreen
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Good idea Steven, and I guess that this is as good a place as any for the time being!
At my end:
1. Acer, Athlon X2 64 4000+ (2.2GHz), Nvidia 6200, 128MB, 2GB RAM, Vista Pro. The video card is very weak, but still, SSM2007 runs on it albeit with all the graphical features turned off or to "low". We use it to "challenge" the real-time engine.
2. Generic, Core 2 Duo 6600, 2.4GHz, Nvidia 8800GT 512MB, 2GB RAM XP Pro. Runs SSM2007 like a devil despite this being a 2 y/o PC. The video card is 1 year old. Triple Head 2 Go Digital edition at 3840x1024.
3. Generic, Core 2 Duo 7300, 2.66GHz, Nvidia 9600GT, 1GB, 2GB RAM, XP Pro. SSM2007 doesn't even begin to challenge this one, but still, this is a mainstream beginner's gaming PC.
4. Laptop: LG R410, Centrino 2, 2.4GHz, Nvidia 9300M GS 256MB, 4GB RAM, Vista Pro (running at full settings getting 60fps Vsync locked). Sometimes goes down to 45-50fps. Overall, a 100% smooth experience all the time.
The lab has a mix of ATI and Nvidia-based PCs and laptops.
/Admin
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CPU - Pentium4 3.0 GHz (HT)
MotherBoard - ASUS P4P800S
RAM - 1Gb PC3200
Graphics Card - AGP ASUS V9999 Ultra (Nvidia 6800 Ultra 256Mb)
Resolution - 1280 × 1024
FPS - Average 50fps High 60fps Low 35fps
Graphical features - All set to high
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Laptop:
-- Dell XPS M1710, 2.33 Dual Core, 17" Screen
-- 4GB RAM
-- Vista Pro
-- nVidia GeForce Go 7950 GTX, 512 MB
-- 1920x1200
-- 55+ FPS
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Wow, some powerful systems in here!
Admin, could you change the topic to "Your SSM2007 Gaming Rig", perhaps? I put the title like this not knowing if it was destined to get booted or not.
Thanks!
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CPU - AMD AM2 5600
RAM - 2GB
Graphics Card - Raedon 3870HD
Resolution - 1680x1050
FPS - 100+ at all times of the mission except launch looking back at the pad, then it drops to around 20-30. Really should put the FR limiter on so its stuck at 60
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One of the (many) great things about SSM 2007 is that you do not need the next-generation, killer system to run it well. I travel all the time for work and so always run on a laptop:
CPU - Intel Core2 T7200 @ 2.00GHz
RAM - 4Gb (WinXP64)
Graphics - NVIDIA Quadro FX 2500M
Resolution - 1400x900
Great performance in all mission phases / view modes - gotta luv it!
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Current Computer:
Constructed in August of 2003
CPU - Pentium 4, 2.4GHz
RAM - 2GB
Graphics Card - ATI RADEON HD2400 Pro 512MB DDR2 AGP Graphics Card
Resolution - Not sure at the moment
FPS - 177 when viewing a panel; 22 external and cabin views but has gone down to 0 at lowest.
Obviously I have updated some drivers over the years but it still runs great! 8)
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CPU - Q6600 Quad running at 3.2Ghz
RAM - 8GB
Graphics Card - GTX260
Resolution - 1680
FPS - Pegged at the max
Runs like hot butter. Bring on the enhanced graphics!!!
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CPU - Q6600 Quad running at 3.2Ghz
RAM - 8GB
Graphics Card - GTX260
Resolution - 1680
FPS - Pegged at the max
Runs like hot butter. Bring on the enhanced graphics!!!
What tyoe of motherboard do you have?
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Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 (purchased it August of 2006)
Also run Vista x64.
If I were to replace my motherboard today, it would be with this guy:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358
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CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
RAM: 2 GB
Graphics Card: GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB
Resolution: 22" (1680x1050)
FPS: 59/60
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Gigabyte GA-965P-DS3 (purchased it August of 2006)
Also run Vista x64.
If I were to replace my motherboard today, it would be with this guy:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358
Aweosme! Thanks. It looks like I might have anew project on my hands very soon. ;D
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Intel E8400 overclocked to 3.27GHz (so far... ;D)
8gbs OCZ Reaper HPC DDR2 800 RAM
Ati HD4870 512Mb
Resolution 2 LCD's at 1680x1050 each (looking at getting TH2G)
FPS: 120+
OS: Vista Home Premium 64bit
I built this computer in the summer of '08, and I am very pleased with it. I built it to fun FSX at reasonable frames, but SSM runs so fast on this.
@STS78MEMBER, if you are in the market for a new computer, you can't go wrong with the new Intel Core i7 series. They are wicked fast, espically in programs like Photoshop and video editing programs. If you can wait, the 22nm die shrink of the i7, codenamed Westmere, is due out in early 2010. This generation should be much better for games.
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Motherboard - Asus P5K-SE
CPU - Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83Ghz
RAM - 4GB PC2-8500
Graphics Card - 512MB GeForce 9800GT
Resolution - 1280x1024
OS - Windows Vista64 Home Premium
FPS - around 60 at the moment, although it was 70-80 before the hard disk reformat ???
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Motherboard - Asus P5K-SE
CPU - Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 @ 2.83Ghz
RAM - 4GB PC2-8500
Graphics Card - 512MB GeForce 9800GT
Resolution - 1280x1024
OS - Windows Vista64 Home Premium
FPS - around 60 at the moment, although it was 70-80 before the hard disk reformat ???
Hey Mogget,
Do you have VSync on (check the video driver)? If yes, you are "limited" to 60fps but get a smoother experience. If you want to see the "real" FPS your new HW is capable of, disable VSync.
/Admin
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Admin,
I was wondering about that. The Nvidia Control Panel states that it is "3D application controlled". I wonder if that means that it is switched on?
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it Means "application controlled" :)
chenge it to "Force Off" to turn it off (or Force on to make sure it's on)
but please not, the Vsync will lock FPS to the nearest division of your Refresh rate.
i.E, If your running an LCD screen at 60Hz (normal refresh rate for LCDs). and your rig can't reach 60FPS in that exact moment the limiter will cut that down to 30(!)FPS. and if you can't hold this it will cut you down to 15FPS. that's what VSYNC does, keeps the frames intact by preventing frames that would not be able to be fully drawn by the screen from even rendering.
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After testing that theory, I really don't think I need to worry about that, uri_ba.
I switched Vsync off, and suddenly I have the following astonishing framerates.....
Cockpit view: 85-105fps
External view: 150-200fps
:o
In addition, the strange flickering that I used to get on screen whenever I moved the viewpoint has vanished!
I can only assume that I must have always been using Vsync. Presumably, the fact that I had the monitor set to 75Hz resulted in those 75-80fps previously? The only puzzle is that I thought I had set the monitor to this refresh rate after the reformat, but maybe I haven't....
I will check that out right now.
EDIT: Yep, the monitor refresh rate was still set to 60Hz. I have changed it to 75Hz, but I will keep Vsync switched off, because I would rather avoid that flickering issue that I had.
I'm rather pleased with that "discovery" ;)
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do you use an LCD or CRT screen?
setting 75hz on a 60hz LCD will cause tearing in an ugly level. especially with VSYNC on
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17" TFT
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After testing that theory, I really don't think I need to worry about that, uri_ba.
I switched Vsync off, and suddenly I have the following astonishing framerates.....
Cockpit view: 85-105fps
External view: 150-200fps
... SNIP...
Here you go. That "limited to 60FPS" on a newly formatted PC sounded too suspect on a rig such as yours. So yes, you have plenty of raw power to run SSM2020 at 100fps :).
Enjoy!
/Admin
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17" TFT
there you have it :) LCDs have only two refresh rate options, 50Hz or 60Hz depending on the specific panel. all modern LCD run at 60Hz.
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Intel E8400 overclocked to 3.27GHz (so far... ;D)
8gbs OCZ Reaper HPC DDR2 800 RAM
Ati HD4870 512Mb
Resolution 2 LCD's at 1680x1050 each (looking at getting TH2G)
FPS: 120+
OS: Vista Home Premium 64bit
I built this computer in the summer of '08, and I am very pleased with it. I built it to fun FSX at reasonable frames, but SSM runs so fast on this.
@STS78MEMBER, if you are in the market for a new computer, you can't go wrong with the new Intel Core i7 series. They are wicked fast, espically in programs like Photoshop and video editing programs. If you can wait, the 22nm die shrink of the i7, codenamed Westmere, is due out in early 2010. This generation should be much better for games.
Thanks! I am in the market for a new computer so I will check this out.
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CPU: Intel Core2Duo E8500 (No Overclock)
RAM: 2Gb Corsair XMS DDR3 1600 Dual Channel
Graphics Card: GeForce 9800GTX+ 512MB
OS: Microsoft XP Professional 32bit
Resolution: ASUS VK-222U at 1680x1050
Mother Board: Gigabyte EP45T-UD3LR
FPS: 60-75 (Vsync On, have dynamic refresh up to 75Hz) Smooth as silk
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Intel Core Duo Quad Q8200 @ 2.33GHz
ASUS P53Q motherboard
4GB DDR3 ram
ATI HD4870X2 w/ 2GB DDR5 ram
1000W power supply
A couple of disks and
A lot of cooling....
I don't really notice my framerates but SSM2007 is always been very smooth, even on my old rig (3 GHZ P4) and at 1400*900.
BRGDS
Sven
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Dell XPS 420
Vista Home Prem (32bit)
Q6600 Quadcore
500 gig Sata II Seagate
Nvidia 260GTX Core 216
3 gig ram
28inch HDMI Monitor by Vizio
Runs great
“Though I Fly Through the Valley of Death, I Shall Fear No Evil. For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing.”
- SR-71 USAF base (Kadena, Japan)
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CPU - Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GHZ
RAM - 2.00 GB
Graphics Card - ATI X2600
Resolution - 1024 on Desktop - not sure in game - can this be changed?
FPS - 100+ :D
Now GTA IV - Ouch! That is around 17 FPS ::)
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Got my new computer.
CPU: Intel Core2Quad Q9400 (2.68GHz, no overclock)
RAM: 4gb (but XP only recognizes 3gb :( ) Truecolor or something like that.
Graphics Card: GeForce 9800GTX+ 512MB
OS: Windows XP Home 32bit
Resolution: 1440x900
FPS: 62 was my highest after playing for like 3 seconds to check out launch and the Virtual Cockpit.
Definitely loving now that I can right click without a drop in FPS. Awesome.
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Congrats on the new rig! ;D
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CPU - AMD Phenom II x4 Deneb Core 3.0GHz
MOBO - ASRock A780GXE/128M
RAM - OCZ Platinum PC8500 8GB
GPU - MSI 9800GT/OC 512MB
OS - WinXP Pro x64
Res: 1600x1200
FPS: Dont know yet, reinstalled having to wait for a new key, but this thing runs FSX at FULL BORE (all sliders to the right!) at over 25 FPS flying the stock 744 and landing in LAX!!!! :o So I KNOW it will make this sim cry for mama! I expect around 150 at launch looking back at the pad...as long as it supports multi-threading...if not, then what 50?
Gotta love those quad cores!!!
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Well I got a solid 58 on launch..60-70 on orbit...
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CPU - AMD Phenom II x4 Deneb Core 3.0GHz
MOBO - ASRock A780GXE/128M
RAM - OCZ Platinum PC8500 8GB
GPU - MSI 9800GT/OC 512MB
OS - WinXP Pro x64
Res: 1600x1200
FPS: Dont know yet, reinstalled having to wait for a new key, but this thing runs FSX at FULL BORE (all sliders to the right!) at over 25 FPS flying the stock 744 and landing in LAX!!!! :o So I KNOW it will make this sim cry for mama! I expect around 150 at launch looking back at the pad...as long as it supports multi-threading...if not, then what 50?
Gotta love those quad cores!!!
Are you compensating for something perchance!!! ;)
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No just tired of not being able to play FSX, Fallout 3, and Far Cry! So I spent just under $600 US and a few transplanted drives....presto!
I had been using a (gasp!) 939 based system.
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Well I got a solid 58 on launch..60-70 on orbit...
turn off Vsync on the Graphic driver - then it will really loosen up the FPS :)
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That was the bottleneck. The lowest it got was 189fps! Max I saw was 350!!!
I have to go get the bucket and mop again...
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My max with V-Sync off:
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3073/fpswow.png)
No, I didn't edit that, either. The game was running in slow motion, I could barely move the camera without moving miles on my mouse.
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:o
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CPU - AMD 64x2 5400+
RAM - 6GB DDR2 6400
Graphics Card - GeForce GTX280
Resolution - 1680x1050
FPS - 130 max 30 lowest.
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Intel 6850 Core 2 Duo 3GHz CPU, Asus P5N-EM HDMI MB, GF 8800GTS 512mb graphics card, Windows XP Home SP3, 4gb ram, Viewsonic VX2233WM LCD 1080P HD Monitor @ 1920x1080 Res. Creative SB Audigy2 ZS Sound Card.
:)
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Vsync is there to fix the graphics from "breaking up" or showing "tearing" for certain cards. In no way they reduce the CPU available for the simulation engine.
For gaming PCs with reasonable power In any case, Vsync will maintain the display frame rate to 60fps without huting the smoothness of the game, while making sure that the display is free of "out of sync artifacts".
So if you get Zillion of FPS without Vsync on and you have no visual artifacts, you can leave it at that. If you do experience some visual artifacts, turn Vsync on and you will NOT hurt the rest of the sim performance, despite the fact that the FPS are pegged now at 60fps. Anything over 25FPS is smooth enough for the human eye and considering that the PC already has enough horse-power, you will have a smoothly-running, clean display sim.
/Admin
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What are the odds? :D I have the exact same system as bradleyjs on page 1.
Laptop:
-- Dell XPS M1710, 2.33 Dual Core, 17" Screen
-- 4GB RAM
-- Vista Pro
-- nVidia GeForce Go 7950 GTX, 512 MB
-- 1920x1200
-- 55+ FPS
Minus the Vista....I stuck with XP.
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CPU: Intel E8400@4Ghz
RAM: 2GB TeamGroup@1200Mhz
Graphics Card: Ati Radeon 4870
Resolution: 1680*1050 on Samsung T220
FPS: i don't know...it's limited 60Fps.....i guess up to 200....
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I'm out of commission right now...so I get a big fat goose egg. (zero)
Normally I run 3.2 GHz Intel. 2GB RAM, ATI 3800 series 512 MB on the video and a 26" plasma screen. 8) a modest system....hopefully with this new motherboard I am getting..I'll be able to slap in a dual core processor at some point in the future.
Res is 1024x768x32 on the big screen
FPS is about 50-60
Well..the system described above is now dead and buried...
New system is Intel core 2 duo @ 3.0 GHz
4 gig DDR2 RAM
1GB ATI Radeon HD 4650 video card
still using the same 26 in plasma screen tho...that baby rocks!
ranging anywhere from 155-300+ FPS...and that's no bs. :o
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Its a frankenstein
A duel core nvdia.
ATI 1900GT card.
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RAM -2 GB
Graphics Card -Nvidia Geforce 9400
Resolution -1024 by 768
FPS -60 highest, 50 lowest, 30 when looking down on launch smoke.
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RAM -2 GB
Graphics Card -Nvidia Geforce 9400
Resolution -1024 by 768
FPS -60 highest, 50 lowest, 30 when looking down on launch smoke.
CPU?
/Admin
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Hi,
Well, I just purchased the last item I needed for my rebuild, an I7-975 CPU. I'll build it over the weekend.
1. I7 975 Processor (Going to overclock to 4ghz)
2. ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 Motherboard
3. BFG GTX 285 Nvidia Video Board (Pre Over Clocked, Core Clock: 702MHz / Memory Data Rate: 2664MHz)
4. 6 Gig Corsair DDR3 Memory 2000mhz (7-8-7-20)
5. 3 - 10,000 RPM SATA Hard Drives
6. Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
7. Enermax Galaxy 1000 Watt Power Supply
8. 1 - Sony DVD D/L Burner
9. 1 - ASUS DVD D/L Burner
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Hi,
Well, I just purchased the last item I needed for my rebuild, an I7-975 CPU. I'll build it over the weekend.
1. I7 975 Processor (Going to overclock to 4ghz)
2. ASUS P6T Deluxe V2 Motherboard
3. BFG GTX 285 Nvidia Video Board (Pre Over Clocked, Core Clock: 702MHz / Memory Data Rate: 2664MHz)
4. 6 Gig Corsair DDR3 Memory 2000mhz (7-8-7-20)
5. 3 - 10,000 RPM SATA Hard Drives
6. Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
7. Enermax Galaxy 1000 Watt Power Supply
8. 1 - Sony DVD D/L Burner
9. 1 - ASUS DVD D/L Burner
I want your job, haha. That's a master gaming computer. Are you going to run those 10k RPM drives in RAID-0, or just as regular drives?
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Hi,
They will be run without RAID-0, I've run RAID-0 in the past, just not worth the three day reinstall if something happens. I really didn't see any improvement running RAID-0. For those that remember, that's how I lost all my Checklist some time ago (RAID-0). All my checklist had to be rebuilt from scratch, that includes all my FS9 Boeing checklists as well.
This is my gaming rig, it will have FS9 on one drive, FSX on the other and SSM2007 on the third drive.
Windows 7 (64bit) will be on a separate 7200rpm drive. This should keep the computer clean and just about fragment free.
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RAID-0 is a problem.. especially on Home hardware (but I'm not keen on using it on servers also).
loosing half your stuff is better then loosing all of it :|
and RAID5, well, I will never do it without a proper controller, and even then, if your controller is dead you're doomed.
other then that.
Mike, that is one heck of a rig you're putting together.. it will eat FSX for breakfast :)
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Hi,
They will be run without RAID-0, I've run RAID-0 in the past, just not worth the three day reinstall if something happens. I really didn't see any improvement running RAID-0. For those that remember, that's how I lost all my Checklist some time ago (RAID-0). All my checklist had to be rebuilt from scratch, that includes all my FS9 Boeing checklists as well.
This is my gaming rig, it will have FS9 on one drive, FSX on the other and SSM2007 on the third drive.
Windows 7 (64bit) will be on a separate 7200rpm drive. This should keep the computer clean and just about fragment free.
With so many drives, 6GB RAM and the I7 + Nvidia overclocked, what is your cooling scheme?
/Admin
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Hi,
The system will be built inside a Antec 1200 case with a Prolima Megahalems heatsink and two Thermalright TR-FDB-12-1600rpm fans.
I'll be using OCZ Freeze compound for the CPU.
I will have a total of 12 fans inside this box, airflow will not be a problem.
I don't think I'll have any problems reaching 4ghz., I may be able to push it a little further.
Guess I'll find out over the weekend.
I will have to purchase another license for SSM2007 since I'm updating again, not that I mind, tech support and updates make it worth it.
Its going to be a busy weekend, good thing its a three day weekend for me.
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WHAT? No water cooling? Those 12 fans will make an awful N O I S E! :'(
But on the other hand, it will sound just like the Shuttle cockpit.
/Admin
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Hi,
Well, I replaced all the fans for ball bearing silent fans. The only fans I was not able to replace were the two that came with the corsair memory and the one on the video board.
Here is a review of the heatsink, it performed very well against the competition.
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article916-page1.html
If I don't get the results I want, I can always switch to W/C, I have all the parts just need to put it all together (again).
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I will have to purchase another license for SSM2007 since I'm updating again, not that I mind, tech support and updates make it worth it.
With all the FREE work you've put in, they should slip you another activation IMHO (e-mail the team).
Don't forget to image the SSM2007 disk after you get it activated. This will preclude the need for you needing another activation code in the future. Nice rig BTW.
Also.....use these drivers for your Audigy 2 ZS. The guy who modified them writes better drivers than Creative (and yes, he has Creative's blessing).
File link: http://files.filefront.com/Audigy+SupportPack+2+0exe/;13614626;/fileinfo.html
Description: http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=139702
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Hi,
Thanks for the link for the updated drivers, I'm downloading them now.
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And the latest DirectX:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=2DA43D38-DB71-4C1B-BC6A-9B6652CD92A3&displaylang=en
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Impressive "tower". This MF may well be enough to cover you for overclocking, provided you can move that hot air out of the box at a fast enough rate and with minimal noise. If you can't, W/C is the only option.
/Admin
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Hi,
I was also thinking about purchasing OCZ's Cryo-Z Phase Change Cooler. Maybe give a shot at Phase Changing.
Not sure yet, I want to see if all the O/C stories are true about Air Cooling this D0 stepping chip.
All I can do now is wait for delivery.
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Hi,
I was also thinking about purchasing OCZ's Cryo-Z Phase Change Cooler. Maybe give a shot at Phase Changing.
Not sure yet, I want to see if all the O/C stories are true about Air Cooling this D0 stepping chip.
All I can do now is wait for delivery.
"COOL" but dig those Decibels and the "third-world" build quality! Even the article recommends bringing some earbuds to the game. With that you'll be appraoching Saturn V Command Module noise! LOL! You can have a try with a Pelletier effect cooler but while that allows for far easier and cleaner overclocking, it also has the problem of removing that HEAT generated in the process, not to mention the extra Ampers needed to run such a cooler.
/Admin
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Hi,
Maybe I'll keep looking for a Phase Change Cooler. Looking at some of the reviews, it appears the one from OCZ is of low quality.
Thanks
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Hi,
Maybe I'll keep looking for a Phase Change Cooler. Looking at some of the reviews, it appears the one from OCZ is of low quality.
Thanks
True. That's what I meant by "third-world build quality" 8)
/Admin
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I've found the following configuration runs Space Shuttle Mission 2007 very smoothly, and without any problems so far.
CPU - Intel Pentium Core 2 Duo 3.33GHz
RAM - 4GB PC3-10666 rated at 1333MHz FSB
Graphics Card - NVIDIA GTX 285 GeForce PCIEX16
Resolution - 1280x1024
FPS - 89 at max, 64 at lowest on Windows XP :)
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Hi Everyone,
I decided to purchase two new hard drives. I just order two Veloci Raptor 300 GB, SATA 10,000 RPM drives.
Looks like the configuration will be as follows.
1. Windows 7 on one drive by itself (SATA 10,000 RPM 150 Gig drive or 7,200 RPM 74 Gig drive)
2. FS9/2004 + addons on a drive by itself (SATA 10,000 RPM 300 Gig drive)
3. FSX + addons on a drive by itself (SATA 10,000 RPM 300 Gig drive)
4. SSM2007 on a drive by itself (SATA 10,000 RPM 150 Gig drive)
5. Other programs and storage (SATA 7,200 RPM 74 Gig drive or 10,000 RPM 150 Gig drive)
Will I see any benefit by placing the Operating System on the 10,000 RPM drive as oppose to the 7,200 RPM drive?
Thanks
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You should see faster loading times of the OS, and other programs installed on the drive.
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Hi,
No other programs will be installed on the Windows 7 drive. This is my Flight Simulator computer. It will be used for FlightSim (FS9 & FSX) and SSM2007, nothing else.
If the only difference is a slower boot load time of Windows 7, I can live with that. As long as it doesn't effect the programs running on the 10,000 rpm drives.
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I would actually believe that if you put your OS on a 7,500 RPM drive that it might hinder the performance. You are reading and writing much faster on the Velociraptor drives, but the OS is performing in a slower speed state.
I'm going off of a hunch here, since you are running everything through the OS on a slower drive rather than the 10k RPM drive that the data is coming from.
If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.
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Hi Everyone,
I decided to purchase two new hard drives. I just order two Veloci Raptor 300 GB, SATA 10,000 RPM drives.
Looks like the configuration will be as follows.
1. Windows 7 on one drive by itself (SATA 10,000 RPM 150 Gig drive or 7,200 RPM 74 Gig drive)
2. FS9/2004 + addons on a drive by itself (SATA 10,000 RPM 300 Gig drive)
3. FSX + addons on a drive by itself (SATA 10,000 RPM 300 Gig drive)
4. SSM2007 on a drive by itself (SATA 10,000 RPM 150 Gig drive)
5. Other programs and storage (SATA 7,200 RPM 74 Gig drive or 10,000 RPM 150 Gig drive)
Will I see any benefit by placing the Operating System on the 10,000 RPM drive as oppose to the 7,200 RPM drive?
Thanks
First, YES, but money-wise, I would earmark the baddest drive for the OS - biggest cache, fastest and most reliable but not necessarily the biggest! The OS can live well even on a 50GB HD so spend more money on speed and reliability and not on capacity. Since you also have a ton of RAM, that will prevent or minimize virtual memory trashing!
The rest can live with 7,200RPM and a reasonable 8-16GB cache, but again, for FS/FSX they can live together on a single 300GB drive and live well. SSM2007 needs a puny 1GB so it can live anywhere :) I would definitely co-locate it with the MSFSs. Since you have a huge RAM, you don't really need a drive that fast (10,000RPM). You'll save energy and heat!
And if I spend less on drives, I might be tempted to add more RAM <g>, but I still don't know how well Windows 7 will utilize that RAM. It is known that even Vista had problems with that. Oh and while we are at it and still relevant to RAM size, recognition and performance, I would go for the 64 bit version of Windows 7 <VBG>.
My 2c,
/Admin
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I agree with Admin. There really is no need for:
1. 10,000rpm drives for your sims
2. The quantity of drives.
Stick with the Velociraptor (or even a fast SSD) for your OS and then buy a single 1TB or 1.5TB 7200rpm drive for your sims. Partition the large drive four times (if you feel the need for organization) for:
1. FS9
2. FSX
3. SSM2007
4. All other files
Less noise, less heat, less power needed.
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I am using a Velicoraptor for my OS and all FS related stuff, and I am very pleased with it. Since it uses a 2.5" form factor, it runs much cooler than regular hard drives, and as long you keep some form of airflow on it it will be fine. I rarely hear it too - the one exception is when loading huge amounts of data, like when I start the OS or load a flight in FSX.
Because it runs at 10,000RPM, the textures, especially in FSX, load much faster. There is a noticable difference between my old 7200RPM drive and the VelociRaptor. Considerating it is only $200 now (it was $300 when I bought mine) it seems like a good choice for gamers who must load large amounts of data.
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Hi,
The reason for splitting up FSX and FS9 onto separate drives: Less data on the drive means faster access, since the data will be near the outer or inner edge of the cylinder (I can't remember which) seek time should be quicker.
It may not be a big difference in performance, but It should be better.
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You're talking about imperceptible differences in real world operations. You're shaving off fractions of a second.
I would look at it from a price/heat/noise/power vs time saved perspective. IMHO....not worth it.
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As of Christmas, I am running an HP Pentium Dual Core 2.7 Ghz, 6gb of ram!, Windows 7 64 bit, Nvidia 8600. I average the same 60-70 FPS as my other computer but that is probably because I am running the same graphics card.
My old computer was a Pentium 3, 1gb ram, Windows Vista 32bit, with the same Nvidia 8600 card.
My new computer is so much more powerful! ;D
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As of Christmas, I am running an HP Pentium Dual Core 2.7 Ghz, 6gb of ram!, Windows 7 64 bit, Nvidia 8600. I average the same 60-70 FPS as my other computer but that is probably because I am running the same graphics card.
My old computer was a Pentium 3, 1gb ram, Windows Vista 32bit, with the same Nvidia 8600 card.
My new computer is so much more powerful! ;D
...and also maybe because VSync is "on" :D
/Admin
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Here I come with my new rig, and trust me, it's a whole new gaming experience :
Inside :
Intel I7 920 overclocked 4Ghz (still working on 4,2GHz stability)
Cooling : Noctua NH-D14
Mobo : Asus Rampage 2 Extreme
eVGA GTX285 overclocked
6 Go PC12800 OCZ platinum triple chan
Corsair HX850W modular PSU
Outside :
Coolermaster Storm Sniper Black edition
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Less data on the drive means faster access, since the data will be near the outer or inner edge of the cylinder (I can't remember which) seek time should be quicker.
The HD starts writing on the outer edge of the disc. Hence less track switching (as the radius is larger : mora data stored on the same circle), and therefore faster speed.
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How do yall thinka GT240 would do in SSM2007? I'm considering getting one. It'll run on an AMD processor. (sorry, I don't know specifics on the processor yet; I'm in the market and its what I can afford)
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O.K., here's some more detailed specs:
HP Slimline AMD Athlon 11 X2 Dual Core @ 3GHz
4GB DDR3 memory
Windows 7 Home premium
640GB hard drive
Nvidia GT240
What do yall think? Can I expect good framerates? The whole thing costs only $640, so its a budget comp, but I think it'll play lots of modern games (including SSM2007/2010) well.
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Best way to find out is to install the demo on a USB stick, take it to the store and run it there. I would at least show the salesperson the sim requirements and ask for his opinion.
I for one am very optimistic about the specs, but of course I can't confirm anything 100% remotely.
/Admin
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CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 @ 2.13 GHz
RAM: 4x1GB Kingston ValueRAM GB DDR2 PC-5300
MB: Abit AB9
GPU: XFX Geforce GT260
OS: Windows 7 Professional x64
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Yeah, I figured it would run very well on it. The thing is technically classified as a "compact" comp, but it's 3Ghz, and 4 gigs of RAM! All I gotta do is upgrade the video card to the GT240 (and install a new power supply) and she's ready to go. She'll be pretty powerful!
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CPU - Intel Core 2 CPU 4400 @ 2.0 GHz (2 CPUs) ~2.0 GHz
RAM - 2 Gbs
Graphics Card - Nvidia Geforce 9800 GTX+
Resolution - 1920x1080
FPS - 60-50 fps
OS- Win 7 32Bit
;D
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Hey there new to the forum, had SSM for about 3 months now. Love it.
Playing on HP Laptop, Intel Core Duo Centrino 1.8
Windows Vista Home Premium
1GB RAM
Twin 80GB HD
17" display
Nvidia 7600go. Run like a dream actually on this game.
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Hey there new to the forum, had SSM for about 3 months now. Love it.
Playing on HP Laptop, Intel Core Duo Centrino 1.8
Windows Vista Home Premium
1GB RAM
Twin 80GB HD
17" display
Nvidia 7600go. Run like a dream actually on this game.
Welcome to the fourm. :D
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Thanks, glad to be part of a community re-living and learning the ins and outs of the shuttle.
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Question- what part of the computer makes the greatest impact on performance/quality vs. price for SSM 2007 :P
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JLM,
There is not a single component since SSM is not bound by the CPU (like FSX) or by the 3D Graphics accelerator card (like other sims). If your PC subsystems are balanced and work well with each other, you can get away with even with a reasonable 4 y/o gaming rig.
/Admin
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CPU - Pentium4 3.0 GHz (HT)
MotherBoard - ASUS P4P800S
RAM - 1Gb PC3200
Graphics Card - AGP ASUS V9999 Ultra (Nvidia 6800 Ultra 256Mb)
Resolution - 1280 × 1024
FPS - Average 50fps High 60fps Low 35fps
Graphical features - All set to high
That was my 'working' PC until the M/board blew up. So I shifted the GFX card and SSM2007 to my my Linux PC:
PC - Dell Precision 330
CPU - 1.4GHz
RAM - 512MB
Graphics Card - NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra
Resolution - I'm running SSM2007 in a window 1024x768
FPS - 25 with smoke, 40-75 on orbit/landing
OS - Linux, OpenSUSE 11.2, SSM2007 running using WINE 1.1.40
Any offers for a lower spec PC?
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WOW desktopsimmer,
I'm amazed that it even loads on your setup... also considering the OS overhead!
I guess you are a clear winner of the "weakest HW/OS combination on which SSM2007 runs with acceptable frame-rates" - LOL!
Hats off!
/Admin
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Thank you Admin for the award, I'll keep the speech short :)
However true credit should go to yourselves, as If you had used DirectX instead of OpenGL for the 3D, then I would of been in trouble.
Only hiccup I have is I don't get music, not sure if this a Hardware/driver fault (OpenSUSE) or how WINE handles sound.
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JLM,
There is not a single component since SSM is not bound by the CPU (like FSX) or by the 3D Graphics accelerator card (like other sims). If your PC subsystems are balanced and work well with each other, you can get away with even with a reasonable 4 y/o gaming rig.
/Admin
Sorry ADMIN, I don't have a 'GAMING' PC
I have:
Intel Core 2 duo-1.86ghz processor
ATI Radeon X1300 Pro graphics card
1 GB of installed RAM
My computer is only 3 years old.
One question-would performance be improved drastically if the game was set to use multi-core CPUs?-it might help with my slight performance issues.
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I use a, well to be honest, a rubbish CPU, but the GFX card appears to do all of the work. If I swap for a lesser GFX card, the FPS drops of the scale.
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What causes, do you guy's think, FSX to rely so much on the processor v.s. everything else?
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JLM,
There is not a single component since SSM is not bound by the CPU (like FSX) or by the 3D Graphics accelerator card (like other sims). If your PC subsystems are balanced and work well with each other, you can get away with even with a reasonable 4 y/o gaming rig.
/Admin
Sorry ADMIN, I don't have a 'GAMING' PC
I have:
Intel Core 2 duo-1.86ghz processor
ATI Radeon X1300 Pro graphics card
1 GB of installed RAM
My computer is only 3 years old.
One question-would performance be improved drastically if the game was set to use multi-core CPUs?-it might help with my slight performance issues.
If you currently get a constant 50-60 fps with Vsync on, it is not necessary to upgrade. The fact that without Vsync you will get 1,000fps will be irrelevant anyway since SSM is smooth at anything above 35fps.
/Admin
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I use a, well to be honest, a rubbish CPU, but the GFX card appears to do all of the work. If I swap for a lesser GFX card, the FPS drops of the scale.
Not necessarily - depends to which "lesser 3D card" you swap and how well it is matched to the CPU :)
As an example, I've been running SSM2007 on an Vista 32Bit LG laptop, 1280x1024 screen, mobile Intel P8600 Centrino 2, 2.40GHz, 4GB (2GB usable) RAM, with a nVidia 9300 GS mobile chipset with 256MB VRAM. In many ways, this mobile 3D chip chip is significantly less powerful than your 6800 and I still get a sustained 50-60fps at all times. The Processor Vista "experience index" is 5.3 and the Gaming Graphics is 4.7.
/Admin
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What causes, do you guy's think, FSX to rely so much on the processor v.s. everything else?
Old code mixed with new code and the need to be backward compatible with so much content.
FSX needs to be re-written to really take advantage of the latest technology. AFAIK, Microsoft has been silently re-hiring some of the old ACES team, so there is still hope.
But let's stop talking about FSX here. There are enough forums dealing with it already ;)
/Admin
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I have:
I950@4.0 GHz, 12 GB RAM, 128 MB SSD, 400GB HDD (SSM2007), 2GB EVGA GTX285 on 195.62, NHANCER, HOTAS COUGAR, SyncMaster 245B. W7 64Bit...
And i get a horrible tearing effect, upper 1/3 of the screen lags behind up to about 1-2 inches when i pan the view... actualy feels dizzying...
VSYNC on or off dont make a difference. It diminishes a little with AA=OFF,
but even at AA=2, the screen is teared up. -So i run AA32 =)
Anyone have ´n idea what i need to do?
Kind regards Henrik Owenius
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I wanted to get a RAM upgrade-not necessarily for SSM2007 but just for the computer in general.
I do, however want to get a better Graphics card since I can't run SSM2007 on the quality/performance levels I want to be at-since my PC is-like you guys said-is more than capable of running SSM2007. I could probably run SSM2007 and FS9 at the same time with little computer performance loss.-which is EXCELLENT-but my old X1300 pro is getting in the way of the quality/performance I want to play SSM2007 at.-If you guy's could remember the thread I started about the computer problems I was having when even the lowest anti-aliasing settings was enabled from the catalyst control center now you guy's know why I'm thinking about saving money to get a better graphics card.
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PC - Dell Studio XPS 9000
CPU - Itel i7 920 Quad core 2.66GHz
RAM - 8GB
Graphics Card - NVidia GeForce GTS 240 w/1GB
Resolution -2048x1536
FPS -60i
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
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I wanted to get a RAM upgrade-not necessarily for SSM2007 but just for the computer in general.
I do, however want to get a better Graphics card since I can't run SSM2007 on the quality/performance levels I want to be at-since my PC is-like you guys said-is more than capable of running SSM2007. I could probably run SSM2007 and FS9 at the same time with little computer performance loss.-which is EXCELLENT-but my old X1300 pro is getting in the way of the quality/performance I want to play SSM2007 at.-If you guy's could remember the thread I started about the computer problems I was having when even the lowest anti-aliasing settings was enabled from the catalyst control center now you guy's know why I'm thinking about saving money to get a better graphics card.
I think that SSM2007 has close ties with how much RAM your computer. When I would introduce even 2x (the lowest) anti-aliasing settings SSM2007 would crash and I would get a message saying "Virtual Memory too low!" And virtual memory was invented to help the computer if there was not enough physical memory to be able to hold all the data that was needed to run a certain program (or programs).
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Not really JLM. If you meet the minimal required HW, then you shouldn't have ANY issue with low mem.
As for AA doing the trick - that is solely related to the graphic card capabilities - no bearing whatsoever to SSM requirements. AMOF, AA is done inside the graphics card HW and not done by the SSM itself and as such, SSM doesn't require any resources for AA or any other image processing (like Anisotropic filtering etc.) done at the graphic card level.
/Admin
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Alright...COOL I will definitely update my graphics card! ;D
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I run SSM2007 on a Dell XPS M1530 laptop.
CPU - Intel Core2Duo T8100 @ 2.1GHz
RAM - 4GB 667MHz
Graphics Card - nVidia GeForce 8600M GT 256MB
Resolution - 1280x800
FPS - 60 max, 20 something low when looking directly at the SRB exhaust.
OS - Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Only issue is when I close SSM2007, it goes on a black screen and wont close, have to Ctrl+Alt+Del it. Other than that, all good.
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Only issue is when I close SSM2007, it goes on a black screen and wont close, have to Ctrl+Alt+Del it. Other than that, all good.
That's a "feature" which exhibits on some Win 7 installs. It's never been present on Win 7 Betas or Release Candidates, so MS must have performend a few last-minute changes. In any case, we managed to overcome this minor nuisance in the upcoming Mission Pack so now we can say that we are 100% Win 7 compatible (until the next Microsoft Service Pack, that is ::))
/Admin
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System - Dell Inspiron 530
CPU - Pentium Dual-Core ES300 2.6GHz
RAM - 4 GB
Graphics - ATI Radeon HD 3450 256MB
Resolution - 1920x1080
OS - Windows 7 Ultimate
I'm wondering if I should get a new graphics card. It tends to slow down a bit during graphics-intensive parts, especially launch. Or do I just need to make adjustments?
Currently:
Total available graphics memory: 1663MB
Dedicated graphics memory: 256MB
Dedicated system memory: 0MB
Shared system memory: 1407MB
Some advice would be appreciated.
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Hmm. That ATI card can be upgraded. Currently I'm running a 9800GT ($120) and it KILLS SSM2007. VSync is always on, but it never drops below 60FPS, even at launch, full settings, looking back at the pad. I love it!
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Just an encouraging heads up for everybody.
Current work in progress on the future version of SSM shows a marked improvement of the already impressive performance, so even with the tons of cool features and content that we have in store, it is very likely that it still will run well on old(er) hardware when fully maxed out. This is an early assumption and we'll come with more detailed information as we get closer to release date.
This means that we do not develop expecting you to buy new hardware in order to enjoy our sim.
Nevetheless, some, with very old hardware may need to upgrade anyway due to features not supported by their graphic cards. So those with 128MB graphic memory should move on, and also those with ancient Pentium IIIs - regardless of GHz. AMOF, we assume that most of our users will be moving to Win 7 by the end of 2010 and by doing so, will also have the minimal hardware to match it.
/Admin
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Thanks for the info. Are you sticking with OpenGL?
...very likely that it still will run well on old(er)...
Hey, My PC isn't that old, okay maybe 10 years, but the graphic card is maybe 4-5 yrs 'young' :) An upgrade is planned mid year :)
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Aww but after u upgrade.. u will loose ur award for the worst PC that runs SSM 2007. D: XD
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Thanks for the info. Are you sticking with OpenGL?
...very likely that it still will run well on old(er)...
Hey, My PC isn't that old, okay maybe 10 years, but the graphic card is maybe 4-5 yrs 'young' :) An upgrade is planned mid year :)
WOW! In that case your award should be changed to "Oldest HW still running. Period." LOL!
/Admin
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Yeah, Yeah, Some say it should be retired with Colossus at Bletchley Park...
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Hardware as Follows
Intel Core i5 750 quad core @ 2.67GHz
8GB Ram
ATI Radeon HD 5200 series (x2) Crossfire enabled 512Mb
1.5TB Hard drive
28" Widescreen HD
Running Win7 x64 Home Premium
With Vertical Sync Refresh enabled I have slower jerky panel scroll with Mon1/Mon2 switched on with a drop in frame rate,
If i switch off vertical Sync Refresh I get 200+ fps at all times, and the panel scroll is nice, bit quick but happy to sacrifice that for smooth operation.
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Does anyone here have a Jetline Systems PC?
I was wondering, how does SSM2007 run on a PC with multiple graphics cards? I know multiple graphics cards for FSX are okay-but only if it is set running at High resolutions. I was wondering if this would affect SSM2007 performance for better or worse.
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The minimum hardware requirements as stated in the latest quick start manual are for a processor speed of 2.2 Ghz.
My question is, is this for a single core processor? I have an Intel Core 2 Duo at 1.86 ghz (dual core), and if the minimum requirements are for a single core processor, does my dual core processor surpass these requirements?
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Hard to benchmark. Best way us to test it with the sim or its demo. Unlike MSFS, in SSM's case, the CPU is not the only component influencing performance.
And besides, as usual, working around the limits of the minimal configuration, does not guarantee any kind of performance - that's why it is called "minimal", not "recommended".
/Admin